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		<title>Matt Cutts Updates Google&#039;s nofollow Use</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Oct 2007 15:29:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>This is probably the last update I will post about this issue since I have covered the topic in two previous posts, <a title="Permanent Link to What is With the rel=nofollow Penalty" rel="bookmark" href="http://scott.islandzephyr.com/2007/10/05/what-nofollow-penalty/">What is With the rel=nofollow Penalty</a> and <a title="Permanent Link to Update: What is With the rel=nofollow" rel="bookmark" href="http://scott.islandzephyr.com/2007/10/06/update-what-nofollow-penalty/">Update: What is With [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is probably the last update I will post about this issue since I have covered the topic in two previous posts, <a title="Permanent Link to What is With the rel=nofollow Penalty" rel="bookmark" href="http://scott.islandzephyr.com/2007/10/05/what-nofollow-penalty/">What is With the rel=nofollow Penalty</a> and <a title="Permanent Link to Update: What is With the rel=nofollow" rel="bookmark" href="http://scott.islandzephyr.com/2007/10/06/update-what-nofollow-penalty/">Update: What is With the rel=nofollow</a>, but it is worth an additional follow up here with <a title="Matt Cutts of Google" href="http://www.mattcutts.com/blog/" target="_blank">Matt Cutts</a> latest post, <a title="Permanent link to Quick comment on nofollow" rel="bookmark" href="http://www.mattcutts.com/blog/quick-comment-on-nofollow/">Quick comment on nofollow</a>.  Matt has updated Google&#8217;s interpretation of the use of nofollow and answered some questions that had been flying around lately.</p>
<p>I did learn some new information about the issue from reading the lastest posts, and when you should consider using the rel=nofollow code with your links. Matt also answered some of the questions posed by seomoz.org in his post, <a title="seomoz.org post on nofollow" href="http://www.seomoz.org/blog/questions-answers-with-googles-spam-guru" target="_blank">Matt Cutts on Nofollow, Links-Per-Page and the Value of Directories</a>, where he asked several unanswered questions about the nofollow issue. Most of his remarks come from a post to the Google Group, <a title="Google Webmaster" href="http://groups.google.com/group/Google_Webmaster_Help" target="_blank">Google Webmaster</a>, where he says that webmasters are free to use the nofollow how they see fit of course but something else I had been wondering and just didn&#8217;t ask yet, was if I have my robots.txt file modified where the entire directory is disallowed, will that work too?  Apparently so.</p>
<p>Matt states in the Google group post, <a href="http://groups.google.com/group/Google_Webmaster_Help-Indexing/browse_thread/thread/cf504ffd28b6bb68/21b12da30e8b0de2#21b12da30e8b0de2">Appropriate uses of nofollow tag &#8212; popular pick </a>, where he says just that.  Thanks for answering my question without me asking.</p>
<blockquote><p>The nofollow attribute is just a mechanism that gives webmasters the ability to modify PageRank flow at link-level granularity. Plenty of other mechanisms would also work (e.g. a link through a page that is robot.txt&#8217;ed out), but nofollow on individual links is simpler for some folks to use. There&#8217;s no stigma to using nofollow, even on your own internal links; for Google, nofollow&#8217;ed links are dropped out of our link graph; we don&#8217;t even use such links for discovery. By the way, the nofollow meta tag does that same thing, but at a page level.</p></blockquote>
<p>Some of the information I took from all these posts is that the nofollow issue and its use is far more broad than just for the paid links you might have on your site, and it is used to keep spam off your site, or at least from being indexed through your site, lowering the possible usefulness and ranking of your site. To be moderately educated on this issue will certainly not hurt your abilities as a webmaster or to help market other clients sites and ecommerce stores.  Things to remember for me would be:</p>
<h3>You can use your robots.txt file instead</h3>
<p>Using your robots.txt file will generate the same good results, and might be easier than worrying about each individual link.</p>
<h3>You can use a meta tag</h3>
<p>Placing a nofollow meta tag at the top of your page will keep the index from taking place on a page level</p>
<h3>Use it on pages that won&#8217;t convert well</h3>
<p>Using a nofollow tag on a s<em>ign-in</em> link or an <em>account</em> link is a good idea too.  These links will not produce any positive effect on your traffic or ranking, it doesn&#8217;t have to just be a <em>paid link,</em> any link that doesn&#8217;t become an asset to your site.</p>
<p>Most of the focus on the nofollow topic has been geared towards blogs with comments being posted but I will write an article coming up that shows how using this in combination with your ecommerce stores can be a good thing as well, it is not just for the bloggers.  Any advantage you can gain over your competition on your ecommerce platform is good, and I would expect few of the very small ecommerce companies recognizes this as an issue.<br />
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		<title>Update: What is With the rel=nofollow Penalty</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Oct 2007 13:05:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>[Before I start, let me just preface this with saying to those seasoned SEO's or webmasters, there is probably nothing below you aren't already aware of, I just wanted to update my previous post with this information.] </p> <p>Well, just hours after I wrote the article, <a title="What is With the rel nofollow Penalty" href="http://www.chipseo.com/2007/10/05/what-nofollow-penalty/" [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><img class="alignleft left" style="float: left; margin-left: 10px; margin-right: 10px;" title="Akismet Comment Spam" src="http://www.chipseo.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/aiskmet_spam.png" alt="Akismet Comment Spam" /><em>[Before I start, let me just preface this with saying to those seasoned SEO's or webmasters, there is probably nothing below you aren't already aware of, I just wanted to update my previous post with this information.] </em></p>
<p>Well, just hours after I wrote the article, <a title="What is With the rel nofollow Penalty" href="http://www.chipseo.com/2007/10/05/what-nofollow-penalty/" target="_blank">What is With the rel=nofollow Penalty</a>, I am now getting comment spammed like never before on a post, and although <a title="Akismet" href="http://akismet.com/" target="_blank">Akismet</a> caught some of them, it let others through (see screen shot below) as all were really just deemed a <a title="Wikipedia on Trackback" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trackback" target="_blank">trackback</a>.  I also now have all these blog sites with my exact title and a two sentence exert from my original post (a typical trackback), but some of these blogs are <span style="text-decoration: line-through;">spam blogs</span> less content rich blogs.  I guess this sort of proves some of my points in the article, and also Google&#8217;s desire to rid the sites that game Google.</p>
<p>Just for fun I ran a few of these sites that did get through Akismet through the <a title="Bad Neighborhood" href="http://www.bad-neighborhood.com" target="_blank">bad neighborhood</a> checker and the results told the story.  The one screen shot below in pink shows my title duplicated, then in the upper right what you can&#8217;t see is another link just like that one that goes to a page just like that one.  The other &#8220;advertising&#8221; site is a little different, it is a trackback to my original article, but says it was written by Current Affairs.</p>
<p>None of this is really surprising, but it does show a point of why Google and the other search engines are trying to combat this <span style="text-decoration: line-through;">spam</span> paid link problem.  I don&#8217;t think it is an issue with paid links, it is just another form of <span style="text-decoration: line-through;">spam</span> a good trackback system setup to farm clicks, isn&#8217;t it?</p>
<p><a title="Bad Neighborhood Link Check" href="http://www.bad-neighborhood.com/text-link-tool.htm"><img src="http://www.chipseo.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/spam_comment.png" alt="Bad Neighborhood Link Check" /></a></p>
<p>Notice the link used is the exact same link as the title in my previous post, but with a missing &#8220;=&#8221; sign, and my url is actually different because I manually put in the slug to see how other sites would pick up the url and re-post.  Most of the results came back as a link farm and one actual .com I found mentioned had already been taken down by their hosting company.</p>
<p><img src="http://www.chipseo.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/blog_spam.png" alt="Blogging Spam" /></p>
<p><img src="http://www.chipseo.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/link_spam.png" alt="Blogging Link Spam" /></p>
<p>Like I said in the beginning, none of this should be a surprise to anyone I guess, but some keywords and links will bring out the best and prove your point to some degree.  I am also probably missing some obvious points here that someone else would know, if so, please point them out, I would love to here from someone other than a comment spam.<br />
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		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Oct 2007 04:27:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Now I know I am not the most seasoned engineer, programmer, or any type of SEO professional (as I am none of those), but I can read.</p> <p>I have spent quite a bit of time reading and re-reading the information on the issue regarding rel=nofollow and paid links, so follow me through this logic if [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><img class="alignleft left" style="float: left; margin-left: 10px; margin-right: 10px;" src="http://www.chipseo.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/tla_chipseo.png" alt="Text-Link Ad Screen Shot" />Now I know I am not the most seasoned engineer, programmer, or any type of SEO professional (as I am none of those), but I can read.</p>
<p>I have spent quite a bit of time reading and re-reading the information on the issue regarding rel=nofollow and paid links, so follow me through this logic if you can. After all this reading I came to only one conclusion.  I don&#8217;t have a clue as to what is considered to be <em>good standard practice</em> all the way down to what is considered <em>black hat operations</em> done by well meaning individuals that didn&#8217;t even know there was such a term, or knew about the whole payola issue, or that this guys great link contest had screwed up his rankings royally (or his royal rankings). Didn&#8217;t blogging use to be about saying what you think?  Not when it comes to making a living I guess, and I understand that.</p>
<p>From an outsider thought, it is bordering on paranoia, but I know it has its merits.  At this point I am not sure if I should even link to the posts I am going to refer to, but I will anyway as my traffic rankings are unimpressive right now anyway. My background and work is not in SEO but in small online businesses, so SEO is important for many reasons of course, but the companies I work with want to see a steady increases in their sales from day to day, but they could care less about some href relationship code, if they can even get that far.</p>
<p>What is important to them is sales.  I know that SEO can have a direct impact on sales, but it is of less importance to the small business owners, the ones I know anyway, than seeing an actual product move off the shelves. I do think it is important to know all I can know about current issues, so as I said in the beginning, I started reading.  There is the Forbes article, <a title="Google Purges the Payola" href="http://www.forbes.com/business/2007/10/02/internet-paid-search-tech-cx_ag_1003google.html" target="_blank">Google Purges the Payola</a>, where they talk about the downfall of linking and selling links:</p>
<blockquote><p>Search engines hate this kind of paid-for popularity. Google&#8217;s Webmaster guidelines ban buying links just to pump search rankings. Other search engines including <strong>Ask</strong> (nasdaq:       <a class="maintkrlink" href="http://finapps.forbes.com/finapps/jsp/finance/compinfo/CIAtAGlance.jsp?tkr=IACI">IACI</a> &#8211; 	<a href="http://www.forbes.com/markets/company_news.jhtml?ticker=IACI"> news </a> &#8211;     <a href="http://www.forbes.com/peopletracker/results.jhtml?startRow=0&amp;name=&amp;ticker=IACI"> people </a>), <strong>MSN</strong>, and <strong>Yahoo!</strong> (nasdaq:       <a class="maintkrlink" href="http://finapps.forbes.com/finapps/jsp/finance/compinfo/CIAtAGlance.jsp?tkr=YHOO">YHOO</a> &#8211; 	<a href="http://www.forbes.com/markets/company_news.jhtml?ticker=YHOO"> news </a> &#8211;     <a href="http://www.forbes.com/peopletracker/results.jhtml?startRow=0&amp;name=&amp;ticker=YHOO"> people </a>), which mimic Google&#8217;s link-based search rankings, also discourage buying and selling links.</p></blockquote>
<p>Among many other points the article made, it went on to talk about how much money some of these questionable sites are making, some charging more than $600,000 a year for link farms.  At those fees it would be hard to keep people who don&#8217;t care about what color <em>the hat</em> is, away.</p>
<p>Then you have the Matt Cutts blog on <a title="How To Report Paid Links" href="http://www.mattcutts.com/blog/how-to-report-paid-links" target="_blank">How to Report Paid Links</a>.  Matt seems to be the authoritative view on the subject since his job at Google has to do with making sure the search listings yield relevant results.  His post is very interesting and does shed some light on the issue but I still walk away confused, and I guess some others do as well as he states some Q&amp;A&#8217;s:</p>
<blockquote><p>Q: Now when you say â€œpaid links,â€ what exactly do you mean by that? Do you view all paid links as potential violations of Googleâ€™s quality guidelines?<br />
A: Good question. As someone working on quality and relevance at Google, my bottom-line concern is clean and relevant search results on Google. As such, I care about paid links that flow PageRank and attempt to game Googleâ€™s rankings. Iâ€™m not worried about links that are paid but donâ€™t affect search engines. So when I say â€œpaid linksâ€ itâ€™s pretty safe to add in your head â€œpaid links that flow PageRank and attempt to game Googleâ€™s rankings.â€</p></blockquote>
<p>From that, it tells me that Google is really more trying to get rid of those attempting to game Google (a verb I guess).  Those of use who are just trying to make back a few dollars (or more like pennies) to off-set the cost of running the site, hosting, and so on, shouldn&#8217;t be penalized for that, but I don&#8217;t guess those this low on the totem pole really are?</p>
<p>After-all, Google&#8217;s main revenue source is ad-revenue, right?  Shouldn&#8217;t we be allowed the same benefit, or is it only through Adsense that it is acceptable?  Don&#8217;t get me wrong, I love Google and all it does, so I guess what I should be asking is what is taking them so long to just buy Text-Link Ads (TLA) already.</p>
<p>Then I came across <a title="David Airey" href="http://www.davidairey.com/" target="_blank">David Airey&#8217;s</a> blog and read his great post on <a title="How I Reversed My Google Rank Penalty" href="http://www.davidairey.com/how-i-reversed-my-google-ranking-penalty/" target="_blank">How I Reversed My Google Rank Penalty</a> and left glad he fixed it and confused as to how a seemingly well meaning person ended up on the Google hit list (better than being on eBay&#8217;s hit list).  He did have some great points, and Matt seemed to be able to help him out, so all is well that ends well I guess.  A few pointers from that post:</p>
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<h3>Why I actually got penalised by Google</h3>
<p>First, however, and according to Matt Cutts himself (head of the Google spam team), my Google penalty was imposed for two main reasons:</p>
<ol>
<li>Having paid links to bad neighbourhoods</li>
<li>Trying to game my search engine rankings with black hat SEO</li>
</ol>
<h3>steps to avoid a Google penalty</h3>
<ul>
<li>Donâ€™t participate in any form of black hat SEO</li>
<li>Add the rel=â€nofollowâ€ tag to any paid links on your website</li>
<li>Be careful not to link to bad neighbourhoods</li>
</ul>
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<p>Did I forget to mention the <a title="Bad Neighborhoods" href="http://www.bad-neighborhood.com/text-link-tool.htm" target="_blank">bad neighborhoods</a>? Sorry, you can check that out too, it is worth a look.  I live out in the boon docks now thank goodness, perhaps I don&#8217;t have to worry about the neighbors too much.</p>
<p>So, after all this, I was wondering about my own site&#8217;s future and those I work with.   I did setup another blog with a Text-Link Ad widget that sold two links.  Uhhh ohh.  The death blow for my $6.28 earned last month. <img src='http://www.scottfillmer.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />   Our traffic is still climbing nicely for now, but what&#8217;s the old saying,  &#8220;something from nothing is something&#8221;.</p>
<p>Well, why not take a more direct approach.  I decided to just contact TLA directly and ask them how and where I could add the appropriate nofollow links into the widget code I was using.  I really didn&#8217;t expect much of a response anyway, but you can see from the email screen shot above, it was brief and to the point.</p>
<blockquote><p>You may not add nofollow to the links</p></blockquote>
<p>Well, that clears it all up.  I suddenly realized what their stand on the issue was, no surprise, they want to sell more links, which means Google and the paid link companies have decided to put a bullseye on&#8230; us&#8230;  either way you go it seems you are in the wrong.  If I was a better programmer I could just add them in the widget somewhere, but there is only time for so much.</p>
<p>So, I emailed them back again and asked them for a further explanation.  The very prompt and kind response was a link to a blog post for further reading.  Oh great I thought, like I haven&#8217;t read enough.  It was a SEOmoz post, <a title="The Google Payola Issue Isn't Going Away Anytime Soon" href="http://www.seomoz.org/blog/the-google-payola-issue-isnt-going-away-anytime-soon" target="_blank">The &#8220;Google Payola&#8221; Issue Isn&#8217;t Going Away Anytime Soon</a>, which I actually hadn&#8217;t read, probably because it was published about 30 minutes before I emailed TLA.</p>
<p>Although the article did get some flack from <a title="SEO Refuge" href="http://www.seorefugee.com/" target="_blank">SEO Refuge</a> on their post, <a title="Rand &amp; SEOmoz" href="http://www.seorefugee.com/seoblog/2007/10/05/rand-seomoz-unprofessional-and-irresponsible-actions/" target="_blank">Rand &amp; SEOmoz: Unprofessional and Irresponsible Actions</a>, it did have some good points, but it wasn&#8217;t really all that pro-TLA, never-the-less, they sent me the link? Well, I think I hit everything (oh, I forgot to mention something about John Chow, oh well, sorry), and I probably broke and kept every rule of blog posting all at the same time.  Where does one go from here.   I am sure from all the SEO errors in this post it will never be seen, so, I think I will go back and look at one of my own posts, <a title="Simple Steps to Increase Blog Traffic and Pagerank" href="http://www.chipseo.com/2007/10/04/steps-increase-blog-traffic/" target="_blank">Simple Steps to Increase Blog Traffic and Pagerank</a>, and read step number 10.</p>
<blockquote><p><strong>Have fun and be positive</strong> &#8211; if you get as far as a top ten list, number ten for me is always have fun. No one likes to read or hear negatives all the time, it gets tiring, so try something new, have a contest, give something away, do something fun.</p></blockquote>
<p>I didn&#8217;t make it as far as number 10 in a list of anything here, but I think it is needed at this point.  Is there a Google penalty for going to sleep?  Maybe that is why the Yankee&#8217;s can&#8217;t seem to beat the Indians, oh, and I still don&#8217;t think that kid from Michigan hasn&#8217;t made that field goal yet but no one at <em>The Big House</em> cares about that now.  I am sure Google had something to do with it.<br />
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